@GDchiaScrub.3241 said:
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@Kilamanjaro.2705 said:
@sephiroth.4217 said:
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@Kilamanjaro.2705 said:Maybe they'll go to pvP where they belong :)
WvW isnt a place to PvP anymore?your comment makes me sad.
@Cal Cohen.3527 @"Ben Phongluangtham.1065"Guys, is this how you want WvW to be?
If people want to duel, they dismount and duel. If they would rather get into bigger fights they ignore you (unless you have "sic em").win win win imho, I've always viewed the permastealth, clone fest, one-shot people as a problem.I have been on servers in the past where seperation from a group on most builds meant sitting in camp and waiting for 4 or 5 to travel with because of the number of gankers haunting the spawns. I personally find the current setup much more enjoyable than _surprise- burst burst burst- oh chit he's alive- stealth run run evade evade evade stealth hide in camp-
That's apart of open world pvp.There should be dangers like that. There should be incentive to pvp above all else.
I love Battlefield for the same reasons, at any moment I can die.
Just to be clear, I'm not saying anyone's opinion is better, I definitely see your point, but, stand by my own as well. Perhaps the "dismount trap" will be a happy middle ground making the "gank" cost something more than time.The added load to supplies may be interesting too as it will make the gankers need supply for their traps, which will add a whole new element to them of having to take the occasional camp for resuppy or risk generating salt by leeching off the garri.
What does ganking have to do with dismounting?Dismount mechanics would heavily favor zergers than anything.. then small man roaming teams.. Gankers would be at the bottom of the food chain.
The main reason we need dismounting abilities is simply due to balance.
Balance between what?
Take Celestial gear as an example, extremely time gated to make, has no real use for PvE which means the gear is probably best suited for WvW and yet due to the CC immunity, 3 dodges and extra movement available its literally impossible for a person in Celestial gear to dismount someone.Now what if that person had 30 odd characters and several sets of Celestial gear dedicated to WvW AND missed out on the gear reset due to celestial being a core stat?Theres not even a chance to adapt.Its like 6 years worth of building up characters was just rendered moot and a huuuuuuuuuuuuuge waste of time.
I understand we can both like different things too.
Wut? Because you specced for celestial (and yes, I hate timegates) you are then entitled to dismount people because you can't do enough damage to the mount? Or did I read this wrong? Also there are more avenues to get celestial through stat selection ascended gear in WvW. While it doesn't abolish all of the timegates it still greatly increased the pace to which you can gain them.
And there is a chance to adapt: run something more burst heavy (condi or power) than the celestial stat
. It's not like the mount can cleanse condis...
Or is that not balanced?
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Yes, you read this wrong. Way off in fact.
Running full berserker only on an 11k hp elementalist isnt a logical response either.
Celestial is an example, crusader would be another good one.
Wut? Celestial is a bad example, since it is literally trying to be a middle ground with a splatter of stats. Why would it be recommended for
bursting
down a mount? Full crusader is a good example for...? Zerker elementalist? I never even responded with that, so why bring it up? Maybe if you did a swift air scepter ele and got in range, but I'm not even making that point. In my experience mesmer and ranger have the range plus burst to accomplish dismounting, alongside some niche condi builds (since the mount can't cleanse).
Look.
ANET is throwing everyone a bone for dismounting making this entire string moot.
Now you can use minstrel and dismount people! Cheers for build diversity? Someone using celestial can do it too if this change makes it through, so this must be proof ANET listens amiright?
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Exactly why you're way off.Twice now you have missed the point. Perhaps try reading what I originally said again?
I did. Actually. Your original response was to someone making a hyperbolic comment on a potential situation, then they made a short snide remark to which you quoted. It wasn't very hard to read from there. Ultimately, I took issue of you thrusting a fringe example (30 characters with celestial gear...) as a way to support yourself and before that you also stated "the main reason we need dismounting abilities is simply due to
balance
." Then I asked "balance between what?"
Which hasn't gone answered
yet it is the more important question. People throw the word "
balance
" without being specific. Which two or more things were you actually balancing for? No need to answer, of course, given ANET's response.
Now that is all irrelevant, because ANET is giving everyone a chance to dismount without needing to worry about builds. The blanket insertion of this potential new skill would bring everything to balance technically by universal availability (unless you are a new player without masteries...hue hue hue).
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The balance is simply about the playstyles.. Not builds or classes themselves.
I main Tempest and theres no way my gear that is suited to my class can dismount people, people suggest to play berserker stats instead but I dont think those people have ever played Elementalist outside of a zerg or pve... So Warclaw has essentially deleted an entire spec from the mode (not even class mechanics work). The balance I ask for is to allow me to keep playing my main character in WvW outside of zergs only.Im aware I can load up some conditions but the mount will just dismount near the last tick and keep on running.. too far to catch up.
Its also hard because DD Tempest was built around mediocre damage and a tonne of soft CC like chill and cripple of which the mount is immune too..So I ask for balance here too, a dismount skill provides that.
I dont limit my thinking when it comes to balance, I take in all factors and how it effects each other.
Its really important to remember that the game hasnt been balanced around mounted plays for the last 6 years. A dismount skill is an easier solution than rebalancing 27 specs, traits and skills to balance around mounts.
